Comments now require registration before posting. This became necessary after the incessantly off-topic, disingenuous posts reached 200 over four topics; with none of them addressing the issues.
Future posts that do not address the topics are not likely to get published unless they touch on a relevant subject.
Should anyone care to address the questions Chops has been asking for over a week now, feel free.
We reiterate:
Food for thought:
"Potentially unsafe groups or leaders come off very nice at first, they go for vulnerable people who are looking for answers, lonely, what you'd call 'normal people.' They're very good at what they do and can get people to believe anything. You might think you'd never get taken in, but don't bet on it. "
1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought.
Update: Requiring registration has stopped the trolling completely. Apparently many people do not want to reveal their email to register; oddly, these were the same people who were demanding that Chops and practically everyone else should reveal their identities. ;)
Future posts that do not address the topics are not likely to get published unless they touch on a relevant subject.
Should anyone care to address the questions Chops has been asking for over a week now, feel free.
We reiterate:
1. Why is Black Raven Coven's url Rochelle Moores Facebook group page, when they claim they don't know Rochelle?
2. Why is Raven Avalon and BRC using two of Rochelles book covers as their logo and book cover? (The book that Lulu just dropped for plagiarism, the other is the coven logo from Rochelles cover, 'When the Levee Breaks.')
3. Why did the artist of the purple pentagram book cover (Fanny Price) state that she was told Rochelle gave Raven permission to use her book cover, when Raven and BTC principles claimed they did not know Rochelle?
4. Why are all the 'coven' self-publishings Rochelle Moores plagiarized content?
5. Why won't a Gardnerian provide her degree/teaching credentials?
6.Why are the same few coven admins/members constantly speaking for Raven?
7. Why did Lulu pull the 'coven book' if it wasn't plagiarized materials from real authors?
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Food for thought:
"Potentially unsafe groups or leaders come off very nice at first, they go for vulnerable people who are looking for answers, lonely, what you'd call 'normal people.' They're very good at what they do and can get people to believe anything. You might think you'd never get taken in, but don't bet on it. "
-- Margaret Singer, Ph.D.
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought.
6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10.Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10.Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
Update: Requiring registration has stopped the trolling completely. Apparently many people do not want to reveal their email to register; oddly, these were the same people who were demanding that Chops and practically everyone else should reveal their identities. ;)
Great advice on the groups. Nice work Sengha!
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